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Sophitia Leafblade · Feb 28, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by MegaMouse

Nice pics although I do not think they should be here. Although that does bring up an interesting question on what exactly are the enchanted armor?

Mega Mouse

Has anyone else noticed that fact the armor looks suspiciously like luxon armor, we know the dessert was once a sea and we know luxons were once a seafaring people and occuring to wiki there is evidence the luxons visited the Crystal Dessert. So could that mean the enchanted are ancient animated luxon armors?

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Originally Posted by AptaleonIII

The Mursaat's "goodness"... no, they most probably weren't good. they were most likely only keeping the Titans at bay because it had been prophecised that the titans would destroy them.

Well we dont know the mursaats ultimate intentions but note that by keeping the Titans looked up they were doing a service for the rest of Tryia and note the chosen also went voluntarily to there deaths. We also know how powerful the Mursaat are especially on the non infused if they had been really evil they could have easily wiped out the other races in Tryia. Also The Titans slaughtered them for an unknown reason, No soul killed by a Mursaat was taken to the demonic realms like anyone killed by anyone tainted by Abaddons touch and They also helped protected the lands of Kryta from the Charr invasion.

So although i cant prove they are good or evil either way (due to all the misdirrection we get) but the evidence seems to point towards them being good. Think of them as Angels of sorts (they even have halo's and wings)

AptaleonIII · Feb 28, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

the Mursaat's intentions were to usurp power from the Krytans, and to keep the door of khomalie closed, because it had been prophecised that whatever was behind the door would destroy their race. The chosen did not go voluntarily to their deaths; they believed they were being taken to the grandmasters' temple to study. The titans slaughtered the mursaat because the mursaat would have tried to fight them, because it had been prophecised that the titans would destroy all mursaat.

finally, about the mursaat power thing: power in lore terms is a lot different from power in game mechanics terms. as a race, they would have been unavailable to take over tyria (and besides, this was not their intention)

Sophitia Leafblade · Mar 01, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by AptaleonIII

the Mursaat's intentions were to usurp power from the Krytans, and to keep the door of khomalie closed, because it had been prophecised that whatever was behind the door would destroy their race.

I agree they wanted to Keep the Door Closed but they did not usurp power from the krytans, The White Mantle were the ones to restore order to a failing nation in Fear of the Charr and total defeat.

The Mursaat who live nearby must have realized that either the Charr would find there city in kryta/Magumma causing potential problems to them as enemys of the Titans or because without them the Humans would have been wiped out in the whole of Tryia, Orr had already Fallen, Ascalon was a defeated Nation who would be easily finished off by The Charr once Kryta was eliminated.(which would have happened Had the Mursaat not interfered)

It is worth to note that if The Charr had Succeeded Tryia would have been Human- less and as such no Chosen would have been around to allow for the Opening of Door. Although the it is unknown how this would effect the Soul Batteries presumably the Souls Batteries must have been kept charged since The Exodus and it is unknown if there were other ways to keep them charged. It is also worth noting that the chosen have only been Sacrificed twice, since it is a yearly event and the Searing aka Rise of the Mantle occurred just 2 years previous.

So the Big Question is what or Who kept the Soul Batteries Charged before then, or did they only need charging after the Searing because of Abaddons straining against the Barrier and the Corrupted Souls of the Charr etc. (due to the taint of Abaddon) who Abaddon was trying to Draw into the RoT inorder to use these corrupted Souls to Turn them into Titans.

It is possible Abaddon sent these Titans through before any Margonites since they could be used as effective Cannon fodder or because the Margonites and Demons were no Match against the Mursaat.

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Originally Posted by AptaleonIII

The titans slaughtered the mursaat because the mursaat would have tried to fight them, because it had been prophecised that the titans would destroy all mursaat.

The Mursaat would not fight the titans due to the prophecies, that is why they live in a hidden city because they Fear the Titans, they would rather run and hid than face them full on because the prophecies say they will lose if they do.

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Originally Posted by AptaleonIII

finally, about the mursaat power thing: power in lore terms is a lot different from power in game mechanics terms. as a race, they would have been unavailable to take over tyria (and besides, this was not their intention)

Actually they would have easily taken over Tryia, have u not seen the way they slaughter the stone stone summit who get in there way, the same stone summit who themselves virtually defeated the Deldrimor Dwarfs until the mursaat in turn defeated them with a little help from us.

SotiCoto · Apr 05, 2007, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Would it be too wrong to assume that the Mursaat were essentially following utilitarian ideals?

Think about it...
They allowed the White Mantle to serve them without trouble, and even knowing what they were like, the White Mantle continued to follow them loyally.
They killed only the "chosen"... those whom were identified (correctly) as a threat by the flameseeker prophecies.... both by way of opening the Door of Komalie.... and by being able to destroy them, the guardians of the portal...
They sacrifice the few that the many may live... and furthermore, they hide it from the people to avoid scaring them.
While they were careful to get on the good side of the people of Kryta, they indiscriminately attacked undead wherever they went.... and you may note they also fought the barbaric regime of the Stone Summit in the Shiverpeaks.

Most importantly.... nobody ever hears the Mursaat say anything in-game.
There is nothing done to suggest that they act out of intent to cause damage nor to dominate. They simply defend themselves against that which would harm them and indirectly... Tyria.

It is the "heroes" that are led into causing harm throughout the Prophecies Campaign, and only at the very end can they redeem themselves.

I'd side with the Mursaat personally.

[Random note: The first time I suspected the white mantle might have been lying though was that mission to round up the chosen... and I noticed that the funny eye in the tetrahedron knocked down the white mantle when it came near them.... implying that they themselves weren't chosen.... thus the "chosen" couldn't be those who trained to be white mantle... Anyone else notice that?]

Sophitia Leafblade · Apr 05, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Random note: The first time I suspected the white mantle might have been lying though was that mission to round up the chosen... and I noticed that the funny eye in the tetrahedron knocked down the white mantle when it came near them.... implying that they themselves weren't chosen.... thus the "chosen" couldn't be those who trained to be white mantle... Anyone else notice that?

Not all mantle are Chosen, the chosen are 'special' people who get to train with the White Mantle Masters to gain there full potential. (thats what the White Mantle tell the villagers) It doesnt say either that they then join the white mantle it only says they get to train with them.

Guildmaster Cain · Apr 05, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

SotiCoto; think about who 'led' the heroes throughout their campaign? Wasnt it Glint?

Sophitia Leafblade · Apr 05, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain

SotiCoto; think about who 'led' the heroes throughout their campaign? Wasnt it Glint?

Actually it was a combination of things/people,

Rurik led us to begin with (took us away from Ascalon)
then the White Mantle did (too make a new home and stop the undead)
then the Shining Blade did (who told us to find the Vizier and who told us about the Scepter of Orr)
then the The Vizier (who told us to Ascend and find Glint)
then Glint (who told us to rescue the Shinging Blade)
then The Vizier again (who took us to the fire Isle and made us cripple the white mantle to make them less of a threat)
then lastly Glint again (who told us to take out the Titans remaining after Hell's Precipice mission)

The Vizier did the majority of the leading of us, glint did very little except advise us to save people and tell us of the prophecies, Although she was an oracle it is highly possible she did not know what exactly was to occur (she hadnt seen the visions herself) but the prophecies was passed to her via a previous Oracle etc.

SotiCoto · Apr 05, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Glint doesn't appear particularly to be on anyone's side in this.
She essentially led the heroes to exterminate both sides...

Except for a short period of time after arriving in Kryta when the heroes were with the White Mantle however... it was essentially the Vizier pulling the strings.... and of course we know where that led.

Apparently he didn't give much thought to the consequences of his training of the hardcore engines of destruction that were the protagonists however...

Even at the end, Glint isn't technically leading as much as advising.

Raiin Maker · May 18, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Tanith

It would really be interesting if Anet decided to include the "City of the Mursaat" in some future update. What better place to find a fabulous city filled with mystical alien beings than the heart of the Maguuma Jungle?

Tanith

Wasn't there a parade in Maguama of Mursatt by the lore Dev team to show they wouldn't be forgotten in GW:EN?

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Glint doesn't appear particularly to be on anyone's side in this.
She essentially led the heroes to exterminate both sides...

Except for a short period of time after arriving in Kryta when the heroes were with the White Mantle however... it was essentially the Vizier pulling the strings.... and of course we know where that led.

Apparently he didn't give much thought to the consequences of his training of the hardcore engines of destruction that were the protagonists however...

Even at the end, Glint isn't technically leading as much as advising.

Obviously Glint isn't a proper Seer, as she cannot properly see what is going to happen (release of the Titans etc) unless that is part of her plan. However she also couldn't foresee her own demise, like most clairvoyants. I am still unsure what happens to Glint, because even if you kill her you are still able to communicate with her in Droknars Forge... I can't remember if it tells you why, maybe she's still alive-Maybe Kuunvang (Apologies for spelling) and Glint will team together in GW:EN, or maybe (being Dragons) even live onto GW:2.

Just my 2 cents.